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Sad fact: Apple only created swift to flood the iOS market with retards

To lower objective c developer wages. A few years ago, o-c d...
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
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fucklibs247
  10/12/17
what does android use
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  10/12/17
Java
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
churning out billions of unity engine games with IAP
Frank Lloyd Wrong
  10/12/17
It’s such shit. Apple has now also reduced the number of app...
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
they raced to the bottom at lightning quick speed. i havent ...
Frank Lloyd Wrong
  10/12/17
...
Buck "The Club" Paulette
  10/12/17
and it has ads now wtf
football
  10/12/17
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Citizen, Speak Turkish!
  10/12/17
swift is a nicely designed language objective C is one of...
David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress
  10/12/17
I agree. But the fact is that swift wasn’t necessary. You ca...
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
the financially viable reason is to suck devs away from andr...
David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress
  10/12/17
iOS has always led android in terms of quality artisanal app...
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
they don't care about more artisanal apps, they want pradeep...
David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress
  10/12/17
I guess we’re actually agreeing here. My point was that the ...
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
Apple is on the downward spiral. The touch bar thing was pre...
Oh, you travel?
  10/12/17
They’re lucky that android is still so spotty in many ways
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
we've only recently reached the point where both hardware is...
David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress
  10/12/17
Its interesting On one hand you have an incredibly profit...
Refunkulus
  10/12/17
What specifically makes swift worse than o-c, or any languag...
brave little poaster
  10/12/17
Swift is on the whole a better language. It provides type sa...
Say No To Racism
  10/12/17
sounds fine we should do similar things with boomers
Kilns4Kikes
  10/12/17


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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

To lower objective c developer wages. A few years ago, o-c devs had apple over a barrel. because the language is so unfriendly to noobs there was a huge demand and a limited supply. “Swift” with its type safety and retard-proof “optionals” has opened up iOS dev to every Sanjay, Rajiv and Gupta who has ever used JavaScript

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427182)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:04 PM
Author: fucklibs247



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427370)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


what does android use

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427192)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

Java

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427203)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Frank Lloyd Wrong

churning out billions of unity engine games with IAP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427204)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

It’s such shit. Apple has now also reduced the number of apps per page that appear on the App Store. This of course advantages their partners who make these shitty spam games. This is what happens when you put a gay accountant in charge of a tech company

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427231)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Frank Lloyd Wrong

they raced to the bottom at lightning quick speed. i havent even opened the app store in months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427235)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427432)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:03 PM
Author: football

and it has ads now wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427358)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Citizen, Speak Turkish!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427515)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress ((retired)@(retired).(retired))

swift is a nicely designed language

objective C is one of the biggest abortions this side of people using managed C++ for anything other than creating bindings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427243)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

I agree. But the fact is that swift wasn’t necessary. You can build anything you need with objective c. The only financially viable reason to invest so much in making a new language was to flood the market

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427273)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress ((retired)@(retired).(retired))

the financially viable reason is to suck devs away from android

java >>>>>>>>>>>> objective c

but swift > java

granted it's a much smaller magnitude gap, but there's basically no downside to making your platform more attractive to develop in.

long-term it's not *that* much effort for a company like apple since swift just runs on top of the objective c runtime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427303)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

iOS has always led android in terms of quality artisanal app development tho. They were doing fine, they just wanted to crush the hold objective-c developers had on the market.

Language development is a considerable investment no matter what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427343)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:11 PM
Author: David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress ((retired)@(retired).(retired))

they don't care about more artisanal apps, they want pradeep from india (or dumber americans, whatever) to be able to write corporate IOS apps just as easily as they can for android. plus more people will learn it for fun or whatever, and people get attached to the first type of tool they use.

apple only benefits from having a bigger dev pool, there's basically no reason for them not to. clang/llvm, swift, etc. are some of the only areas where apple is making good decisions as a company.

people brought up all the same stuff when MS introduced C#, but it was probably the best decision they made in that timeframe where the company made almost entirely poor decisions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427427)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

I guess we’re actually agreeing here. My point was that the purpose was to lower wages by flooding the pool.

And the truth is that the future for enterprise lies with either with hybrid or mobile web apps (both of which Apple hates)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427452)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: Oh, you travel?

Apple is on the downward spiral. The touch bar thing was pretty uninspired. iPads are still neat though. With the latest iOS it is finally possible to replace OS X, which I suspect was Apple's goal from the get go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427302)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:03 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

They’re lucky that android is still so spotty in many ways

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427367)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: David Fleischman at Ortho Mattress ((retired)@(retired).(retired))

we've only recently reached the point where both hardware is fast enough and android refined enough to not noticeably stutter/lag in random places (this was happening to me on a fucking 6p)

google's problem is most android phones out there aren't pixels or galaxies, they're basically smartphone burner equivalents that have shit hardware and will never update.

people bitch about iphones being slow after updates, but having used (higher end) android phones for > 7 years now there's just no comparison. my pixel has been doing well so far, but after two years my 6p was laggy and periodically bogged down for no reason. usually iphones can survive around 3 years of updates and still run fine.

that's the price paid for using java, but it suited their strategy fine (spam global marketshare for $$$searchclick$$$ instead of hardware).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427506)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:10 PM
Author: Refunkulus (never count out a MUSCLE NUT)

Its interesting

On one hand you have an incredibly profitable company sitting on a hoard of cash that takes very little capital to actually run relative to the resources it has. It has real earnings that are now being dividended out to shareholders and are increasing, it's also not ludicrously cheap like other FANG stocks.

but then on the other hand you have clear signs that the culture of innovation may be (probably is) tapping out and the distinct possibility that Steve Jobs was a one-off leader sort of how Standard Oil without Rockefeller was still enormous, survived by in size by Exxon as well as a host of smaller companies, but not an industrial hegemonic titan that Standard was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427417)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:07 PM
Author: brave little poaster

What specifically makes swift worse than o-c, or any language from any language

Realize this is a retard q but think responses would be insightful. I've never gone in depth in more than 1 language (neither of these) so I don't have a strong comparative framework available

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427394)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: Say No To Racism

Swift is on the whole a better language. It provides type safety and optionals let you “guard” for null values. People like that since swift3 it’s protocol oriented, but I don’t really think that matters. Objective-c has a syntax that is difficult to pick up, but it the foundation framework (which was rewritten for swift) provided a lot of awesome standard functions that made it comparable to even python for stuff like string manipulation

The problem is that Apple fucked over all of their loyal devs who learned o-c and have been servicing their platttform for 20+ years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427437)



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Date: October 12th, 2017 5:58 PM
Author: Kilns4Kikes

sounds fine

we should do similar things with boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3762200&forum_id=2#34427749)