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Fun Legal Hypo (Receiving Duplicate Shipment) - From Talmud Law Class

moishe buys a book online. the vendor says it's supposed to ...
Naomi Bat Osaka
  01/12/18
"what are moishe's obligations with respect to the two ...
~~(>' ' )>
  01/12/18
so if the seller says nothing, he can keep the book?
Naomi Bat Osaka
  01/12/18
Sure.
~~(>' ' )>
  01/12/18
He should encourage open borders and race mixing in the US w...
dark triad catholicism
  01/12/18
lmao
marshall mathers
  01/12/18
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Mr. Gay
  01/12/18
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bowlcut autist
  01/12/18
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HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  01/24/18
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Taylor Swift was not a hobby she was a lifestyle
  01/27/18
Assuming that it would cost him money to send it back, and h...
Refunkulus
  01/24/18
without the company asking for the first book back one shoul...
MoreDoughHi
  01/24/18
This is much more nuanced then at first glance
Refunkulus
  01/24/18
At no point does he demand another book, he checks status wi...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  01/24/18
SOLUTION: the first book is considered a lost object. ...
Naomi Bat Osaka
  01/26/18
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HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  01/26/18
This is the most obvious one - but there is also Deut 24:19 ...
Refunkulus
  01/27/18
Lulz I came in here to make a joke that the answer depend...
guy who doesn't get it
  01/27/18
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Naomi Bat Osaka
  01/27/18
no wonder Jesus was so flippant to the pharisees.
Tjhooker
  01/28/18
"it will make jews look like fools and suckers" ...
~~(>' ' )>
  01/28/18
they bend on the shit till it break
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  01/28/18
"We should look insular and greedy." "Yeah...
~~(>' ' )>
  01/28/18


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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Naomi Bat Osaka (*)

moishe buys a book online. the vendor says it's supposed to arrive in a week, but it doesnt. he contacts them and they say to wait another week. he contacts them after another week, and they tell him that they've gone ahead and sent him out a second book. within a week, both books arrive.

what are moishe's obligations with respect to the two books?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140498)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"what are moishe's obligations with respect to the two books?"

If requested by seller within a reasonable time, must return one book if not materially inconvenient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140602)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:42 PM
Author: Naomi Bat Osaka (*)

so if the seller says nothing, he can keep the book?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140777)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 11:13 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

Sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35144762)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: dark triad catholicism

He should encourage open borders and race mixing in the US while denying those same human rights causes for Israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140525)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: marshall mathers (askav)

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140604)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: Mr. Gay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35144792)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 11:57 PM
Author: bowlcut autist



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35145070)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:07 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231437)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 12:36 AM
Author: Taylor Swift was not a hobby she was a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35250383)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: Refunkulus (never count out a MUSCLE NUT)

Assuming that it would cost him money to send it back, and he can't drop it into a free return kind of thing, he can keep the book.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231379)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: MoreDoughHi

without the company asking for the first book back one should assume they knew he would get two books and that's to boost him coming back which they've calculated as being more profitable than him getting one late book then shopping elsewhere. this is an economic behavioral issue and outside morality at this juncture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231399)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: Refunkulus (never count out a MUSCLE NUT)

This is much more nuanced then at first glance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231409)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

At no point does he demand another book, he checks status with them in these calls as a normal buyer would.

They send a second as good business practice almost certainly knowing that things do not get lost in transit in the modern age. They chose the shipping company and they chose this action.

How can they create an obligation on him to ship a book back to them? What is the basis?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231471)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 4:47 PM
Author: Naomi Bat Osaka (*)

SOLUTION:

the first book is considered a lost object.

the threshold question is whether the vendor is a jew.

a jew must return lost objects to another jew. so, if the vendor is a jew, moishe needs to make a reasonable effort to notify the vendor and ask them how to proceed. the vendor needs to mitigate any loss by moishe, i.e. arrange for the return shipping and not inconvenience him.

a jew generally has no obligation to return a lost object to a non-jew, and in most cases he is specifically FORBIDDEN from doing so for various reasons (eg it will make jews look like fools and suckers). the only time a jew is even permitted to return a lost object to a goy is if it will make the jewish nation look good.

if the vendor isn't jewish, there's no evidence that moishe would get goodwill for the jews out of sending the book back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35246975)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35247041)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: Refunkulus (never count out a MUSCLE NUT)

This is the most obvious one - but there is also Deut 24:19 to consider which is why I posted about this being much more nuanced than it appears from the first glance (most plain interpretation)

Under this vein of reasoning the book company shouldn't ask for it back if they are Jewish owned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35250322)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 12:38 AM
Author: guy who doesn't get it (Dork Enlightenment)

Lulz

I came in here to make a joke that the answer depends on whether the seller is a Jew or not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35250390)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 8:59 PM
Author: Naomi Bat Osaka (*)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35256369)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 12:37 AM
Author: Tjhooker

no wonder Jesus was so flippant to the pharisees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35257931)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:06 AM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"it will make jews look like fools and suckers"

That isn't even close to what has historically caused Jews trouble.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35258132)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:07 AM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

they bend on the shit till it break

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35258141)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:09 AM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"We should look insular and greedy."

"Yeah, that should work."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35258150)